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I intend this to be as much a review of The 21 Convention put on by Dream as it is a recap of each speech and the content covered. The event, newly changed from The Under 21 Convention, now that the focus isn’t as specifically on the under 21 pickup crowd, spanned across four full days from as early as 10 am until 8 pm each night. Generally the format was, two speakers followed by a lunch break, then three more speakers after lunch, with shorter breaks between each speech. You can imagine how much content was covered in the allotted time. Let’s get to it.
Day 1
Dream
After introducing the convention, Dream launched into his speech that he titled “Rise Above.” Life lessons, personal stories, and revelations formed the meat of the content, all geared toward the idea that, in my words, no matter how bad it gets you can always come out on top and still kicking. From heartbreaking loss to financial ruin, he laid it all out on the line, putting on a solid performance.
El Topo
The second speaker, El Topo, began by talking about what makes a good instructor and what the role of the instructor is and how they can accomplish it. He then delved into his methodology of game and how to implement it. Topo quickly transformed questions from the crowd such as “what is one thing you like about yourself and one thing you dislike” through these methods into personal and specific grounding routines. The man demonstrated a complete knowledge of the topic he covered and never failed to address any specific question about himself or what he teaches. He’s one of the genuinely good guys out there who cares about helping out and giving back, putting on multiple talks at the end of each day and even taking somewhere around 10 guys out each night to work specifically with – for free.
Julian Foxx
Highlights of this speaker included several drills that he teaches to his paying students, a method of creating incentive to go out and accomplish your goals, and several specific techniques. A low energy, but none the less knowledgeable speaker.
Adonis
Everything you could want to know about same night lays: where to take her, how to do it, when to do it, and techniques for making it happen. The man is a veritable machine set to ‘Fuck’ who managed to take time off to speak about the mechanisms that turn his gears. Very solid speech from a gifted and extremely knowledgeable speaker, the man also went out and made himself available to guys in-field at no charge.
Nilatak
A return speaker from the ’07 convention and the man who gave me the single best feedback post in response to a field report ever, Nilatak just had a short time to jump on stage and do some short demonstrations. He had three guys from the audience, at different skill levels, come on stage and approach him, after which he would break down what was good, what wasn’t, and how to fix common problems. Good stuff, great guy.
Psych
From PUA Training, Psych was a convention attendee and audience member last year, turned trainer and speaker this year. He talked on his concept of social game, adding value, and what he considers to be the three keys to pickup: likeability, persuasion and sexuality. Pulling back from the game for a bit, he showed a brief clip of AFC Adam from last year’s convention, where Adam calls Psych out as the man to watch, as a man who will soon be very, very good. He then called out the entire audience; if he can come here as an attendee and come back one year later as a speaker, as a man who has accomplished his goals and become greater than the collective mediocrity, then any and every person in the audience can do the same. Great speech and a solid guy.
Day 2
Hshudo
Social circle and college game highlighted one of this year’s youngest speakers. He talked about his mindsets in pickup, told a few stories, and shared some techniques including having your girl bring over a friend for your roommate and visa versa to ease the process and expand your circle. A little nervous at first, he spoke quickly, but as time passed he eased into his groove and gave a decent speech.
Erika Awakening
I’ll hold back a little because I think a few things caused me to be closed off and biased against her presentation, but here is how I saw it. Erika talked about “Spiritual Seduction: how to change your love life through your belief system” which is actually a topic that interests me greatly. Beginning with her story of a near death experience, Erika then broke down the difference between types of beliefs, talked on the importance of vibes and becoming conscious/aware/present. Her new company does therapy for clients with limiting beliefs through a technique called Emotional Freedom Technique. Many of the guys I spoke with enjoyed her speech, but I found myself a skeptic. She nearly broke down during her story of near death, gave a rather disjointed and bare bones speech, and when I asked specific questions on the mechanics of EFT, she was unable to answer and even referred to it as ‘magic.’ I encourage anybody reading this to watch the video and form their own opinion.
Francis Adams
From the Campus Casanova crew, he talked about college game. Francis is a funny and energetic guy who was able to bring a lot of new and, as far as I know, innovative concepts to the table including his five social circle rules and his concept of female attraction ‘simmering’ and how to use this to your advantage. I especially liked his angle on being friendly and flirty with everybody, not just the girls you’re into, and his idea of “falling in love a little with every girl.” I know just what you mean man. Good stuff.
Nick Sparks
From The Social Man, Nick talked briefly on college game and then got into his main topic of sexualizing body language. This guy has reached the peak of charismatic, an incredibly gifted speaker. He demonstrated some simple techniques on how to generate sexual chemistry through body posture, touch, proximity, and eye contact on Erika, and I swear she actually fell in love with him on stage. Watch the video and tell me I’m wrong. At the end of his time he gave what I’ve been referring to as “The Piano Speech” the most inspirational and exciting speech since the ‘you’re money and you don’t even know it’ segment in Swingers. Just to get it in writing, Dream you had better have your editing guys cut that part out of the end of his speech so you can upload it as a specific video in and of itself, alongside the full talk. One of the best speeches given at the entire event.
Christian Hudson
Formerly of Charisma Arts, Christian started his own company, The Social Man. Before getting into the gamey portion of his speech, Christian gave a sort of father to son style speech, a cocktail of respect, kicks in the ass, and genuine reverent inspiration. I can’t say specifically he said as I was so enamored with his words that I forgot to take notes, except “A winner is a man who refuses to accept his situation, and does something about it.” A real man of action, he gave some specific techniques and conversational tools, as well as concepts on arousal and how to talk. Fantastic speech.
Day 3
AFC Adam Lyons
Filling in for some people who couldn’t make it, Adam gave two different talks. The first was all about closing, which included techniques for making it happen, ways of easing the transition, and hilarious stories to illustrate every point. His second speech was more in depth and advanced, covering frame control and 4 specific methods of doing so verbally. He also talked on, and demonstrated physical frame control. What I love about Adam is his speeches are so well put together and rehearsed, that they don’t even sound like they’re rehearsed and planned ahead. I couldn’t tell which parts were adlibbed and which parts he had said a dozen times in the past. Adam puts across an energy and enthusiasm that is unparalleled by anybody I’ve come into contact with in the community (and with all the talent that shows up to the 21C, that’s saying something). One of the best technical pickup speeches of ’09.
Gone Savage
Savage took things in a different direction, talking about female sexuality and what it is that women desire in a man. He talked about debriefing questions to ask your girls, how to be a unique and compelling man in her life, and the difference between the masculine and the feminine. A very chill and different speaker, he brought something entirely new to the table.
Dream #2
Controversial and the only speech to receive a standing ovation, Dream gave his second speech of the convention on proper exercise and nutrition. This speech will challenge everything you think you know about what to eat and how to exercise. Well put together, Dream really knows what he’s talking about. The relevance of this speech to becoming an attractive man is a no brainer, and as Dream put it, no woman is going to tell you “your six pack is way too tight, get out of here.”
Drew Baye
The second speech on health and exercise, Drew talked about High Intensity Training. The man knows more about exercise than most of the speakers know about pickup. For any body looking to get involved in a program that will give you the best results, for the least amount of time in the gym, this speech is the best source of fitness advice around. Without a moment of hesitation, Drew answered every question with confidence like a man who invented what he was talking about. He laid out which exercises will most effectively work which muscle groups, how much time to allow for rest and recovery, the concepts behind muscle growth, and what you can expect if you attempt HIT. Really incredible stuff and a talented speaker.
Heartwork
A speaker from last year as well, Heartwork is an instructor for Vin DiCarlo at only 19 years old. A funny and energetic guy, he talked mainly on the friendzone and how to get out of it. Bottom line, “she’s not your fucking friend.” A good speaker, Heartwork was also out in field with a lot of guys.
Day 4
Righthand Man
One of the older speakers, RHM has really been out there and experienced it all. He talked about how women tend to view men and create expectations for how men should behave, what he knows about marriage (17 year veteran), the traditional way for men to go through life (school, college, get a job, get married, have kids, get divorced), and flipping the script on women. A real consciousness raising speech that any guy who is considering an LTR or marriage should look into. Solid speaker, good content.
Nathan
Hailing from RSD, Nathan was the only speaker who was not filmed. He talked about masculine and feminine qualities, and how when you are at least 51% in the masculine, you will have attraction on some level. He did a few short exercises and drills with the group.
DJ Fuji
Fuji really stepped the fuck up this year and took charge, speaking in a second slot to fill in for some speakers who couldn’t make it. Absolutely worth every second. He spoke on the fundamentals of game, how to get better through his DaTE model (Discipline, Training, Execution, which I’ll never forget and regret not answering the questions when he asked about it haha…). Other topics were common sticking points and pitfalls to avoid while learning. The man spoke in such a way as to really grip at a person’s soul and make them realize how far from their potential they really are allowing themselves to sit, comfortably. Without a doubt, the best speech this year.
Ratisse
Returning again after speaking on text game and sexual priming in ’08, Ratisse talked about his style of game this year which is a method for creating massive social proof and really becoming the king of a venue. The guy is a model of dominance, and his philosophy of “if you’re not happy with who you are, change it” really brings this across. No questions, no compromises, just action. He demonstrated how he works a club on stage and talked in depth on his experiences and methods. What a badass.
Elite Q&A Panel
Once again, all of the remaining speakers got on stage together to take questions from the audience on anything and everything, each giving their own input and opinions on particular subjects from dates, to pulling, to strippers.
The Last Word
Once again Dream put on an event that oozed quality from the get go. One of the speakers even commented on how he has spoken at other large pickup events of this nature, and how Dream managed to put together something that was of greater scale, quality, and better organized. And he really did. Four days and 19 speakers on topics ranging from health to same night lays, the 21 convention once again delivered far more content for far less dollar than you’ll find anywhere else in the community. In addition to the speeches, nearly every speaker was more than happy (and emphasized so in their time on stage) to speak with attendees and answer questions, and even in many cases to make themselves available in field for free, or for dramatically reduced prices. This is really what the seduction community was meant to be about, men getting together to help each other improve their lives. The 21 convention is the manifestation of that ideal in reality. See you next year.
-Dasani
• There’s a lot the community has to offer and a lot of conflicting viewpoints on game. You should see it all and take what you feel works best for you.
• Some pua’s are about looking good in the club and entertaining large sets, getting number closes. Some are about SNL’s and getting results that night. Both work. I’m more about SNL’s in the club and solid day2’s in the daytime.
• I’m in a different place in game than I was last year at the same time. This was a good yardstick and milestone to goto every year so I can see the difference in myself and how the community has changed. Buying next years ticket today!
Positives
• 3 New Lays in 4 nights.
• Best speakers were Adonis and DJ Fuji
• 2nd year I attended
Things to work on
• Pointed to some new products to see, must review
• Take a dance class
• Take more improv (I’m in improve now, will take more)
• Follow up with PUA’s met there and bring them to my lair for presentations to give more to my local community.
Questions
• What conventions have you been to?
• Why weren’t you at the (over & Under) 21 convention.
Just like last year the convention was a blast. So much positive energy and everyone wants to help each other out. This was the best of the community. BTW- it has nothing to do with being 21 or under. There were dudes there that were 40+, they just recognized the value for the money!
If you’re in the game and you actually care about your future success with women, then you should have been here at this convention. The value for the price is very extreme. I meet a lot of people in pickup that will go out and buy some ebook or product that’s pretty much the price of the convention. They prob won’t even read it. Instead save that money and spend it on this next year.
• Meet a ton of pickup people, from instructors to fellow pua’s
• Find wings
• Get heavily discounted coaching – from 1 on 1 bootcamps to daygame coaching sessions.
• Free Approach-a-thon
• Go out every night!
See my Review in line with the schedule of speakers.
Arrived early on Wednesday. We landed 11:30PM, got to hotel by 1:00AM and went out immediately. Key to fly in night before so you don’t miss any speakers. You want to go out everynight, and I got a new lay that night off the street! This got me ready for the whole weekend.
Day 1 July 23rd (Thursday)
* 10:30-12:00- Anthony “Dream” Johnson
* 12:15-2- El Topo
* 2-3:15 Lunch
* 3:30-5 Julian Foxx
* 5:15-6:30 Entropy
* 6:45-8 Psych
Dream’s speech is always motivating, it’s amazing how this guy does it all. I used to work for a event planning company and we had a team of 6 people to do all the stuff he does just to plan much smaller events and trade shows. I can’t believe how he pulls all this greatness together and still manages to not flip out and handle all the phone calls and questions, and be under21! Dream should serve as a role model for the rest of the community, it’s all about giving value while still being able to manage your own life. He still able to hit up the gym even while all this is going on!
El Topo, met him last year, he had some awesome stories and being a big fan of his and having recently watched his mehow video it was great to hear him in real life. Real cool dude and even took a bunch of us to lunch/dinner. My text game is entirely based out of his style (see his blog).
Julian foxx – he’s got that innocent face but he’s got a devious side. I’m the kinda pua who pushes the envelope and I could tell by the way he was talking he doesn’t mess around. He’s got a grimy side and that’s how you have to be with game. Can’t be worried about what society views as conventional, you gotta do the ridiculous.
Psych – was an attendee last year and came a huge way to the point where he’s coaching now, He taught me a few things one on one that I was able to apply in the field right away.
Day 2 July 24th (Friday)
* 10-11:45- Manwhore
* 12-2 James Matador
* 2-3:15 lunch
* 3:30-4:30 Francis Adams
* 4:40-6:30 Nick Sparks & Christian Hudson
* 6:45-8 Hshudo
Unfortunately mystery/matadors flight got cancelled due to storms but dream let me listen to the voicemail mystery left him! Mystery was really disappointed he couldn’t make it but gave Dream mad props for all the hard work and value he’s given the community. Very cool to hear mystery in his style of speaking in a super long message.
Hshudo – best under21 PUA. This guy has a cool vibe and I would definitely hang out w/ him. I got to talk to him a bunch before and after and even was out with him. He’s a beast and is super mature for his age, never would have guessed under21.
Day 3 July 25th (Saturday)
* 10-11:45 Adam Lyons
* 12-2 Vin Di Carlo
* 2-3:15 lunch
* 3:30-4:30 Anthony “Dream” Johnson (second speech will cover proper exercise and nutrition)
* 4:45-6:30 Drew Baye (on training/body building)
* 6:45-8 Heartwork
AFC adam looking cool as ever – met him last year.
Heartwork – helped me a lot with my game. I was impressed when I met him last year, and this year he broke down my sticking points and gave prettyboy and I awesome feedback even in the club. We took a limo with him to a club one night and he helped me in sets daygame / nightgame. Great advice.
Day 4 July 26th (Sunday)
* 10-11:00- Erika (yep, a girl!)
* 11:15-12- Right Hand Man
* 12:10-1:30 Nathan
* 1:35-2:05 Gonesavage
* 2:05-3:15 lunch
* 3:30-4:45- Dj Fuji
* 5:00-6:45- Ratisse and Adonis
* 7-8 Elite Q and A Panel (all remaining speakers take live questions)
I did miss huge parts of the convention as I was seeking some coaching, and I hope to follow up this review with more after I’m able to watch the filmed on location video of the convention. Some speakers were not recorded such as the RSD instructors so you had to be there live to see that.
Nathan from RSD was a great speaker and illustrated how to get in state and why it’s all about being in state. This is what prettyboy and I are all about. We follow RSD religiously.
Adonis and DJ Fuji were my fav speakers. Everyone should take bootcamps with these guys. 3 of my buddies did based on my recommendation.
Adonis is just like Prettyboy and I with the SNL game. Everything he said was super solid, blew my mind and was just like our recent closing mentality presentation we gave at the lair meeting. I agreed 100%
DJ Fuji – has an awesome coaching style and the feedback he gave my wing was invaluable. He’s asian so I can relate and his style was ridiculous. Everything he said was spot on.
GOTO the convention next year – this was my 2nd year and I wouldn’t miss it even if you paid me! If you are serious about fixing your game and getting better than you must go to this. Wow. I tell all my clients they need to book their tickets immediately and only a few made it out. This is a true indicator of dedication. Even if I had paid for the flight and ticket and only saw 1 speaker there it would have been worth it.
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As you know, I came down to Orlando with many people from Atlanta. What they didn’t know is that I almost didn’t come because of finances. I’m sure glad I came! Being in the 21 Convention was like being dazed and confused, like a big dream state. Think of this: 10+ hrs of training, learning, hanging out new friends, sarging under the eyes of successful PUA’s, some of them who were in our shoes only last year. I have come out with a lot of PRACTICAL knowledge, a new mind fram, and I’ve become much more confident in myself not just in game, but as a man. And this is key. The direction of PUA’s is shifting from opener jockeys to natural based game. Using some of the tips from Adonis, the Charming Rogue, for ex. I went to a local bar and swung on the stripper pole as a gag. Then I got grabbed by this good looking woman, she thought I was hot. I told her straight up that if I was a vampire, I would turn her out. She barred her neck, I nibbled her. Then she told her best friend to come to me, and I did the same. I never would have been this balsy before the 21 convention. I want to thank Dream, Peter, all the instructor’s and students, you all were great and I’m glad to meet you. I can’t wait until next year.
P.S. If you’re confused by the hugh amount of material out there, stick to fundementals. DJ Fuji and some of the PUA’s went in detail on basics, and made it dummy-proof for us. This alone is invaluable. Dream, you the man!!!!!!
The 21 Convention 2009 Comments from Joe
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Dream,
Joe here, we talked at the convention. I posted about my experiences at the convention on my blog check it out when you get a chance. I can’t boast about getting an SNL or anything, but I had some profound breakthroughs. So worth the price of the admission.
As I was alluding to when we talked, this stuff I feel is going beyond just ‘pickup’ at this point, in a very good way. This is bordering on what I’d consider ‘important work’ for men and for society as a whole.
Again, I’m not trying to flatter or anything I just genuinely feel that when people really understand the deeper meanings behind this stuff (beyond just ‘getting laid’), and apply it in their lives, it can have a hugely beneficial affect on the well-being of whole chunks of the population.
Especially when dealing with guys like myself who have been to low places in their past, the inspiration and practical advice provided at the convention can trigger an awakening to a whole new, more positive side of life.
If I could recommend one thing for future conventions, it would be to continue with broadening the messages being delivered. Include speakers on career/business/wealth-building advice, maybe something dealing with giving back/charity/philanthropy, a general relationships talk (focusing on family, friends, platonic type stuff), etc. I’m sure you can think of a ton more.
Well that’s all I got for now man. Can’t wait to see where this stuff takes you, and all of us. As a sidenote, I was seriously mulling over the idea of moving down to Orlando from Atlanta after the weekend. You guys’ nightlife is quite impressive. I’ve gotta check out some more cities though, and may just end up staying right where I’m at, I dunno.
Anyway, keep up what you’re doing, it’s much appreciated.
Peace,
Joe
The 21 Convention (2009) Comments from Anonymous
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Dream,
My 27th birthday is just around the corner, and I refuse to live another year of loneliness and celibacy. I refuse to be like bitter George Sodini, the Pittsburgh gym shooter who failed to take responsibility for himself and instead murdered the innocent women he felt had rejected him. A true alpha male loves women and doesn’t need to resort to “macho” things like that. Taking responsibility means sarging almost every day to develop the social skills I need in order to attract women. Since the 2009 21 Convention I’ve opened sets literally almost every day, everywhere (in the mall, in the train station, in the bar)
I may be insane and delusional but I really believe success is possible. As Tony Robbins explains, the only difference between those who are successful and those who aren’t, is their psychology. The 2009 21 Convention was very inspirational, life-changing, and DJ Fuji was proof that a guy of my short stature can actually attract women. It was great having Epik and Adonis as wings – with them watching me I had in-field progress even beyond what I thought was possible for me. It was that night that I truly internalized the fact that I don’t need to hire a hooker, I can and will lose my virginity through seduction. For me opening sets has gone from being a chore to a compulsion – any day I don’t sarge feels like a wasted day. News of my younger sister’s recent cancer diagnosis is a reminder that life is short; every day is a gift from God and I must make the most of the hand I’ve been dealt.
I wanted to thank you for all the effort you put in, managing this convention. By doing it you’re making a huge difference in peoples lives.
-Anonymous
The 21 Convention (2008) Review from Dasani- 2 year attendee
Day 1
I arrived at the hotel about an hour before the convention began and slowly people began gravitating toward the lobby. Sitting down on a couch, reading through the paper, I was approached by what had to be a PUA. Leather wrist band, affliction style t-shirt, cool jeans, it’s the look I’ve come to associate with players. He oozes charisma, and it only takes a few sentences before I have the idea firmly planted in my head that this guy most definitely gets laid. I breathe a silent sigh of relief that there are legitimately cool guys coming to the convention.
Shortly thereafter I stopped a dude about my height who I noticed was wearing a convention badge, though I neglected to read what it said, “Hey man, are they going to have a problem with me bringing in my backpack?â€
He cracks a small smile and tells me in a voice that he somehow managed to infuse with the feeling of laughter without actually laughing, “I dunno…is there a bomb in it?†For some reason I’m so caught off guard by his easy wit that I answer dumbly “nope!†and he tells me he’s sure it’s fine. Something about the guy totally won me over in those few seconds of talking.
I walk into the convention hall, pushing to the back of my mind questions of my own sexuality as a bearded Dream approaches me and calls for water. Oh wait, he was just saying my name. We greet and talk briefly before I take my seat and prepare for the presentations…
Dream Part 1
Following the opening and a brief recap of his last year’s speech, Dream began his real speech. I was impressed by the improved demeanor and relaxed state (though a bit too relaxed and conversational at times) he was able to maintain while up on stage, definitely a big shift from last year. Also, as Dream spoke he laid bare the truth on the ups and downs of his personal development while giving tips on how to create discipline in getting your life/pickup handled and what pitfalls to avoid, such as becoming so focused on pickup that you forsake all other avenues of your life. At the last minute in response to some chatter going around on my end of the crowd, Dream gave some tips on going out alone, which is an idea that chills me to my soul to this day. After some final advice on emotional stability and mastery, Dream set the stage and introduced the next speaker…
Braddock
Prior to the convention I had never heard of Braddock, though the “buzz†(watch the speech) surrounding him was that he’s a pretty big deal. He came up incredibly confident, although he powered through his speech due to time constraints. Braddock spoke about college game. He didn’t just speak about it, he outlined exactly the who, what, how, when, and why of the entire process of becoming the king of your campus. He even went so far as to explain a technique for pulling a two set back to your house that, by the time I had finished sketching out my interpretation of it, looked somewhat like a diagram of a football play. Although a lot of the speech was centered on the idea of there being frat houses at your school, the major concepts are applicable anywhere. Straight money.
Heartwork
Oh hey, that’s the guy who asked about me bringing a bomb in my bag. Heartwork comes off as an extremely positive, carefree, and just straight fun guy to hang around with. Not to mention incredibly intelligent, skilled, and knowledgeable in his area of expertise. I had the pleasure of seeing him work in field, the dude is legit.
Heartwork opened with a short segment on how to learn the game properly with his idea of Goal Centric Training. He then moved into a fairly detailed section on Shaping (the ability to make people behave the way you want in your presence) and its uses, followed by the most easy to use system of rules for cold reading I’ve ever heard anywhere in the community (who knew the word ‘sometimes’ was so useful). A little more on shaping, how to reward your girl, some practical tips and techniques, and it was onto the next speaker…
Zebra
Huh, imagine that. The guy who came up to talk to me while I was reading was actually speaking at the convention. The Tetris block comment about coming from Sweden falls into place. Zebra was, in my opinion, THE most surprising speaker at this year’s convention. In addition to presenting incredible amounts of valuable information, Zebra is an incredibly dynamic speaker. The energy, certainty and skill that came out in his presentation projected exactly the type of personality that bespeaks of true self-esteem and confidence. He laid out what he considered the three most important things to take care of before anything else when deciding to learn game; getting leverage on yourself, setting goals, and becoming conscious of yourself and how you see women. On the more practical end of the spectrum, he talked about his personal love of spewing out emotional nonsense at women (“I’m gunna put you in a box!â€), an exercise on how to get good at this, the truth about having people JUST talking and laughing with you and doing nothing with it, and what I considered to be just straight funny stories:
Zebra: Their friends are here, what do we do now?
Friend: Uhh I dunno…wait until they’re done?
Zebra: Fuck no! Bust in and talk LOUDER!
Day 2
Downtown Orlando has some incredible nightlife, though I missed out on my chance to singe karaoke. Next year!
Dream (Part 2) and HomeRunKing
These two took the stage to open up the second day of the convention and spoke about vitality, health, and fitness. There was a fair bit of valuable information in the speech, but it was hard to grasp as much of it challenged almost every long held belief about eating and what to eat that I (and many other convention attendees) hold. At times it felt more like conspiracy theory than legitimate information, but despite this I managed to take some serious notes and will be attempting to go 3-4 weeks without milk products to put Dream to the test on his assertion that much of what goes into milk is basically glue.
Sinn
My hand hurt after this one. A lot. Sinn’s speech was incredibly fluid and jam packed with information. My six pages of notes boil down basically to Sinn’s model of how social interaction works, some of his philosophy “bottom line, you wanna get laid, who gives a fuck about how you do it,†the components within the model (types of comfort, qualification, and attraction), ideas on framing, beliefs, practical tips and uses, and even some stripper game. Sinn also took some time to warn all the newbies about the dangers of becoming an under 21 pickup artist. I’m sure some of the guys tuned this out, but having only a month or so before his speech discovered in myself one of the key pitfalls he outlined, I think it was a well warranted warning.
Ratisse
Ratisse genuinely looks like an unapproachable badass. His style of game and absurd number of f-closes seems to reflect this. Having spent some time taking a break and talking with him at House of Blues, I can say that Ratisse is genuinely a cool, grounded dude, who has the drive and motives of a true teacher. He spoke in large part about text game and his particular take on it, as well as sexual priming which is basically “a smart and efficient way to know where you are†or as Sinn would say “blow me or blow me out.†This, coupled with Zebra’s speech, helped me to flip the switch inside me that says “fuck it†and just go for broke if I find myself in the 20 minute set to nowhere. He also spoke a little bit on endgame and dealing with LMR. My one criticism was that he kept his notes on his cell phone, which made it look like he was answering texts during his speech. Value packed speech, very relaxed demeanor, incredibly skilled PUA.
Nautilus and Right Hand Man
Nautilus was a returning speaker from last year, and with his partner Right Hand Man, they gave a speech on a very different style of game. They spoke on Inner and Outer game, and their idea and beliefs that one should never chase a girl, ever. This includes asking for phone numbers and at times sexually escalating. If the girls on the presentation screen are actually some of Nautilus’ exs, then he is definitely onto something. They warned that their style is incredibly easy and simple to follow, though it is hard for me to break all my old patterns and start over with such a radically different method of game. Their confidence and stage presence definitely lends credibility to them however.
AFC Adam
Just. Straight. Wow. Watch the video. Seriously, watch it. This guy has to be seen or better yet, experienced, to believe. In short, he talked about the three things that every guy who is good with women has: Confidence, Abundance, and the Ability to Sexually Escalate, and ways to improve all of these. The man is so positive and giving and such a personality that…words fail to describe. Watch watch watch!!!
With day two wrapped up, that only left one more day, and with such extraordinary speakers, day three would be hard pressed to live up to the rapidly rising bar, even with my favorite speaker from last year taking a two hour chunk.
Day 3
Dream Part 3
Dream opened up the final day with a Q&A of questions that he took from the forum. It is difficult to describe this without reproducing every question here, but basically it involved some tips on pulling, beliefs, Dream’s pyramid of reasons for being out at night (which is deceptively simple, yet profoundly powerful), and more valuable information on mastering your emotions (pleasure pain principle) and leadership.
Mehow
Returning once again, one of the top PUA’s in the community came to reveal some of his newest theories and technology. Though he was still an amazing speaker with invaluable information, there seemed to be a dark cloud or some bad mood hovering over Mehow, so props to him for getting through the presentation anyway and doing an awesome job. He spoke on his idea of group attraction while breaking down a video demonstration of it in action, and also his new form of teaching via ebook, called DNA. I don’t remember what it stands for, but it in essence tells you exactly how to deliver a line, from tonality, to speed, to what you should be doing with your hands, so that guys don’t spend months repeating a line and saying it wrong over and over again. He also introduced the idea of solo winging and some tactics with wings. Mehow proved once again that he doesn’t mess around. He delivers.
Manwhore
Wow. For me personally, Manwhore’s speech hit right on the money with the type of information that I think more guys need to absorb and understand in the community. He spoke massively on the idea of presence, dominance, leadership, limiting beliefs and other profound inner game topics. I particularly loved his metaphor for game, “Inner game is the language of social interaction. Once you get it dialed, outer game is just the pronunciation of the words.†And of course, he wasn’t without his out of control stories and as-repeatable-as-schwarzenegger one liners such as, “If I wanted you to be the measure of my balls, I would put them in your mouth.†I was disappointed that a lot of the guys didn’t get as much out of his speech as I did, as I think this kind of thing is really all you need if you understand it and embody it. I’ll be listening to the audio over and over between now and the 2009 convention, where I hope Manwhore will return to speak again.
El Topo, Doc Holliday, and Entropy
El Topo is an interesting guy. He has a sense of humor unlike anybody I’ve ever seen, and is absolutely hilarious. He spoke about his RedStack concepts and was creating custom material for any guy who had the balls to raise his hand and call out answers to his questions. He also gave some tips on how to improve delivery and your overall skill.
Doc Holliday, forgive me, does not look like the kind of guy who pulls. Looks can be deceiving. Meeting him, he is a very chill cool guy. Seeing him in the field, he’s deadly. He spoke briefly on daygame and gave a quick model to follow for a specific scenario, from open to getting a solid phone number.
I didn’t write much down about Entropy, I don’t think he spoke much, but I did have the opportunity to talk with him out in field, see him critique one guy’s set, and get some feedback on a set I had just run. Really chill guy, very honest, and really made me feel like he enjoyed giving me feedback on my situation and was in no way grudging about taking time to talk with a humble noob.
Libido
Libido spoke briefly on relationships and keeping sex interesting. I saw him at House of Blues the Sunday before I flew out, and oh my god. This guy is a beast. Read some of his LR’s that he posted up. He had a method of opening that got girls instantly investing in him that I’ve never even heard of before, let alone seen work. Just wow. My jaw dropped watching him in action.
In Depth Q&A
Too much to go over here. Every remaining speaker got on stage and fielded questions from the audience. Very valuable time, I wish I could have thought of a question. I also heard the first “whispers†of the soon to be infamous ‘Circle of OI!’ routine. The most devastatingly effective routine available in the community, probably that ever WILL be available. I’m still waiting on the video, though I participated in a Group of OI at HOB. I hit state instantly.
The Last Word
Top notch speakers, and according to Dream over 22 hours of seminar footage. This really is the best quality event/product available to the community. For $100 you get what would normally cost you upward of $2000, not to mention the numerous discounts offered by some of the speakers who were providing workshops and bootcamps as well. The 21 Convention (2008) was a sight to behold and an experience that I won’t soon forget. Most guys have never had the opportunity to take in such a large amount of information and then CONSISTENTLY put it into practice, each night. I never even mentioned the approach a thon where more experienced guys help noobs get some approaches under their belt. It’s like a free bootcamp. Also, each of the speakers took enormous efforts to answer questions from the audience and make themselves available during the convention (and even in field a bit) to talk with about game or just to shoot the shit. Phenomenal. Does it get any better than this? Probably not. I’m reserving my ticket to next years convention ASAP, I wouldn’t miss this for the world.
Are you ever going to be finished with women in your life? No. It doesn’t matter how old you are. The 21 Convention is the most underrated, highest quality experience that, if you’re willing to commit to it, will take you places you never thought possible. See you in 2009.
-Dasani
IMHO this is not really a product for the novice. They don’t talk about the classic how to open, FTC rehash stuff. There is quite a lot for guys over twenty one as well as under twenty-one.
Now I am going to go into each speaker
DREAM
So Dream catches a bad rap a lot of the time, but the guy seriously put in some work to get this out. His speech is solid, and he spends a lot of time talking about his own personal transformation. Later he speaks about nutrition and health. If you guys are into that Dream knows his stuff. The guy lost a ton of weight, and exercises constantly.
BRADDOCK
I have to admit this speech changed entirely how I was doing my game in college. Helped me a ton. His speech is about college game, and social circle stuff in general. He really threw out a bunch of ideas that I hadn’t been using. This really helped me.
HEARTWORK
This was an interesting speech. It centered around qualification, and more specifically how to use it as a training tool. He goes through how to combine cold reading and qualification to get women to behave the way you want. Interesting speech to say the least. Very cool stuff here. Also a very young guy, so he has some stuff to say about non bar or club venues. He also gets into problem centric training versus goal centric training which is a problem I think a lot of new guys around here have.
ZEBRA
This speech centered around setting goals, and leveraging yourself to get out and do stuff. He also goes over things like limiting beliefs and being in the moment during pick up. Far from revolutionary idea, but a decent perspective.
SINN
I have to admit this is one of my favorite speeches. Sinn starts off showing his new cyclical model. It s an interesting approach, but perhaps a little over complicated. He talks about using qualification as a way to measure where a girl is at. He has some very cool stories to tell. A lot about beliefs. He also gets into instant attraction and how to come in with a ton of value.
Ratisse
Ratisse starts off discussing phone game. This actually helped me because mine is traditionally weak. Then he shifts into something he calls Sexual Priming. Its actually pretty cool. Its a lot about making sex a forgone conclusion and avoiding the 20 min set to no where. He is very much one of the guys into fast pulls and bathroom pulls. Not the most entertaining of speakers, but good content.
Nautilus and Right Hand Man
So this was interesting and pretty fresh. These guys take it back a little away from the opinion openers and the close every set mentality. They go with the social approach. The find the sets that are interested and exploit that. The discuss a mentality of absolutely no chasing, which sounds old, but rejects a lot of community standards. Its puts a lot of pressure on the girl to make the move. These two guys are more worried about appearances, because since they both own businesses, they cannot make fools of themselves in public. A pretty cool speech overall.
AFC Adam.
This is by far my favorite speech. I spent half the time laughing. Good stories. He does have some interesting ideas about how to go about gaming. He talks about how to kino correctly with out making it a big deal. He gets into bypassing LMR. He also discusses how to build a group of women purely to take out to use as social proof. A great idea that I plan to implement very soon myself.
Seriously AWESOME.
MEHOW
Mehow comes close to sounding like an hour long commercial about how awesome he is, and how you need his products. There is some value to pull out of it however. He puts on a video of himself in field and then goes through step by step of everything he is doing in pretty excruciating detail. He also goes over how he and his wings work together in field. The winging method he uses is pretty interesting and revolves around everyone holding sets and then cross merging them for value and as a safety net each time a set fails.
Manwhore
His speech is all about inner game. I would have to say it is less about Pick up and more about being a leader, and being dominant. He ties the both back to the game constantly, but these are life skills that women just happen to love. Manwhore is less routine oriented because he came from just being a natural to begin with. He has a good take on inner game being present in the moment.
EL Topo, and the Practical Pickup guys.
This was fairly dominated by Doc Holiday and El Topo. Doc spends most of his time talking about day game and to be frank it totally changed how I was doing my day game stuff. El Topo gets into routine stacks and how you can build comfort while building attraction. This guys is freaking hilarious, if not a little twisted.
I found most of the speeches to be entertaining as well as informative. It has the feel to it like a conversation with another pua does where you sit around and exchange funny stories and tips. All in all this is one of the better products in the community. I have to say it beats the hell out of the Mind of Mystery, and it costs 2850 dollars less. It runs at about 180 bucks (it goes up and down because Dream likes to put it on sale or to offer it with Tickets to the convention this year) Its almost Twenty hours of Footage and I am still working my way through it actually.
Great speeches include those by Manwhore, Braddock, Sinn, AFC Adam, and Doc Holliday. Special props go out to Dream for putting the event on, which was an incredible amount of work.
Takeaways:
-Manwhore: Know the importance of self-respect and self-understanding. Understand the importance of standards in everyday life. If you can’t live up to your highest standards, how can you respect yourself? If YOU can’t respect yourself, how can GIRLS respect you? Stop giving a fuck. You dictate the importance and validity of your actions. Nobody else.
-Braddock: In your social circle, “buzz” is everything–girls talking about you when you aren’t there. Hard to transform your identity in a social circle where everyone wants to believe you’re one way. If you aren’t high status in your social circle, maybe the best bet is to cut them off and move forward. Best bet is to work your way down from the hot girls, it’s easier than working your way up.
-Sinn: Sinn talked about Hollywood Attraction, where you open a set with an extreme move that either gives you tons of attraction or will blow you out. He also talked about rapid hoop escalation (try qualifying with a large hoop) and if she complies, instant attraction, you skipped “attraction” — it’s like a glitch in the matrix.
-AFC Adam: Getting good with girls boils down to three things, he says: confidence, abundance, and ability to sexually escalate. Someone on RSDNation (Thomas Anderson) said this: confidence is when you feel the outcome isn’t going to be bad; courage is when you say “fuck it”. Abundance is having a lot of women in your life who really like you and respect you, and want to hang out with you. And if you can sexually escalate some of them, you’ll be all good.
-Doc Holliday: Doc outlined a simple model for day game pickups. Step one: heyy, I know this is random but I just had to come meet you. I’m Doc. (The only kino he does in daygame pickups is to shake their hand). I know this is kind of random, but something about you, you seem like a New York girl. Then go in freestyle from there.
Overall I give it my highest endorsement. A lot of learning and a lot of fun.
The 21 convention that hit Orlando Florida last month was a big success. Besides all the great speakers that were there giving huge amounts of value and the great people that attended, the whole thing was just 30 dollars (206 kr). This was more of a POOAH charity event then a summit.
Arriving the first day I met up with some people who had made the trip from across the states to be there. It was fun to meet guys who were dedicated to seduction, and who had different styles in sarging. Even the guys who had no idea what a set even looked like were at least eager to get out in the field and start ripping Orlando apart.
The first night anyone that wanted to could take part in an approchathon. This was not an official convention event, but was organized by the local lair for the convention students. People staying from the hotel gathered in the lobby and we all shared taxies to downtown Orlando. This place had a whole street full of all sorts of venues.
Meeting the lair people at a square close to the club area we all got some time to get to know each other. We headed off to a parking garage to get a quick brief for the night, and to get into teams. It was pretty ghetto getting the first seminar in a parking garage, and we had to move a few times cause the security people thought a group of 50 guys standing around seemed suspicious. Fight club is the only thing that comes to mind thinking back on it.
Dream, the guy who organized the convention and the approachathon, explained how the whole thing worked. We would each go in teams of 3, one instructor per every two students. Sounds like an awesome ratio, but I got to mention that some of the instructors were less then what would be expected from a low level approach coach. As long as the 2 students were paired up with someone who was better then they were, they could at least learn something.
Night started out pretty good. Got Dream as my guide and we hit the town with a 50 man entourage (needles to say, any routines would soon be totally valueless. I cant count how many times I herd guys get blown out cause they re-used some material other guys tried).
Starting off was slow, and while Dream and the other guy started approaching like they were on fire, I started to get inside of my head. I got pushed into a horrible walking set and decided to get the worst set of the night out of the way. This way I knew that nothing that night could be worse then that. After that was done, sets started opening and I started to really enjoy Orlando. All the clubs had different themes and the girls were all cool (not to mention hot).
At the end of the night 2 guys pulled, but didn’t close the deal. Everyone else went home pretty empty handed. I was a bit surprised at the amount of new guys that were that this convention.
With about 4 hours of sleep, my wings and I rolled out of bed to get some good seats for the convention. The convention officially started at 11 am.
List of speakers:
Dream – Introduction to the event, some own life experience, newbie mission,
and how to handle guys. Gave a small Intro to all the other speakers
ManWhore – Unofficially from RSD. This man talked about frame control,
communication, and cavemaning.
Mehow – Kino, routines and blowing AMOGs out.
Orleans – Words of wisdom and Vin DiCarlo Escalation ladder.
Nilatak – Profound inner game. Good stuff.
Libedo – Sex, peacocking, and having MLTRs.
Nautilus & MK – Fashion and style.
After Dreams nitro to the convention the first speaker stepped up, ManWhore. To describe MW, in short, he looks like an army guy. The man steps up and I swear “I don’t give a fuck†is stamped on his forehead. He talked about really having a strong frame and being congruent with what your doing. Backing every statement up with a story that I found to be hilarious. His whole attitude was: be the person you chose to be. If you had a strong enough frame, people wouldn’t question you. This naturally went into communicating your identity to other people and cavemaning. At one point I think he said that he actually had conversations with women…witch was not cool, but then he made up for it by telling us about how he tied this one girl up and…ok moving on.
Moving on, we have Mehow. Starting with one of his signature videos I was a bit disappointed. Lets face it, the audio and video isn’t always the best quality, and I wanted to hear him speak about stuff. One cool thing though was that he broke the video down step by step. He went on to talk about how important kinoing was, and how his whole system is basically built around playful touching. Second day he went on to speak about how to handle group sets and AMOGs. His formula was that as long as his target was engaging the obstacles and AMOG he would to, but as soon as she started ignoring them he wouldn’t even bother anymore. All in all, I felt like his presentation was a bit bare bone for him being one of the top industry guys. He seemed like a pretty cool guy though, even off the stage.
Libedo was the man with the peacocking plan. Starting his presentation off by telling us he joined the community because he loved sex was a new approach to it. I figured that his whole angle would be sexual technique, and mostly it was. Interesting point he made was that guys focus way too much on making the girl orgasm. The entire experience should be the main event; orgasm is like the cherry on top of the ice cream. Then he went on to talk about his extreme peacocking, and how to handle social pressure. One of the days he walked around in a toga. Also he said he was from Sweden…but that was just a lie…made me sad.
Besides Dream, Orleans was the first real under 21 speaker of the convention. The word colected comes to mind when trying to describe Orleans. His whole presentation was based on his successes and how he became the person he is. He advocated not making out with girls in clubs, and I actually saw him in-field once giving a girl the cheek. After some stories and LR he talked about the Vin DiCarlo escalation ladder. Vin DiCarlo being the company he works for, this was a sort of kino escalation rutin that would take you from opening to sex. To be honest it did have some moves in there that I personally never heard of. The strangest step I thought was when you pull up the girls and your shirt, and then have your abdomen touching hers. Apparently this sort of touch only happens during sex and makes the girl think about getting it on.
Nilatak focused on identity and deep inner game. His speech included how to really act like a man in relationships, and how to set standards for those relationships. A big part of his speech was centered about knowing, and being cool with yourself. This way if other people fucked with you, at least you knew you were cool and you could stay uncreative. If you understood that last part pm me cause sometimes inner game gets so confusing that it totally losses it’s meaning to me. Nilataks presentation stood out a bit because he talked more about being a strong person in general.
Nautilus was the only speaker with a female pivot. Nice looking girl that worked for Maxim as a party organizer or something to the extent. Their whole topic was fashion and how to dress with style. Not peacocking, but dressing good. I have to say I enjoyed this presentation a lot. The whole concept was that all guys in clubs dress differently, and that one needed to stand out by trying different styles. Was a bit sad when they showed a picture of all the guys that dress the same and me and my wing realized it was exactly how we dressed. Some styles they recommended were the rocks star, the really fancy style (they haven’t seen people in Sweden I guess), and the ghetto style. Interesting point made was that any guy with the right look could be atleast a 8 in looks.
That covered the two days of the convention. Through the day you could see POOAHs walking around the Holiday Inn, buying weird looking peacocking items, eyeing family sets. The Holiday Inn staff would grill me every time I tried to get my key about what the convention was about. Once every year we get together and play X-Box video games. Why else would it be called the gaming convention? When the girl finally called us out that it was a convention about talking to girls we had screwed with her so much. Ironic that I walked out with her number when I left the place.
Every night during the convention everyone would head out to a club to go sarge. A lot of people complained that the clubs were out-sarged with so many POOAHs there, but honestly I never had that problem. After an hour just not using rutines and a bit of plowing through the bitch shield and the girl was so happy to meet someone that didn’t want to know the color of her cube. Besides that, rolling with a 50 man entourage gives you social proof where ever you go. I was literally high fiving someone every other step I took in the club.
I heard something about one instructors blowing a student out of set as revenge for all the sets the students ruined for the instructors. Sounds really bad, but then again this wasn’t an in field boot camp. I had a few sets ruined to by some random dude coming in who started screaming how awesome I was, and how I was a New York Times best seller…Yepp it actually happened.
To sum it all up the convention was a really good event. A lot of value given, a lot of skills learned, and if you walked away without bettering your game well then that was completely on you. I don’t see how anyone could have not pumped their learning curve there. Besides all that, a lot of new friends were made. One note I was surprised by was that most if not all the guys (exception of one) that attended were really cool people. Community events sometimes draw out some weirdo people to attend, but this was not the case here.
That’s my review of The 21 convention, rock on
-Z
Convention time!
I got to my room and dropped my things. I wanted to meet someone who was somewhat familiar, even if I had met no one their previously in person. It’s amazing how well you think you know someone through emails and instant messenger. I called Manwhore and we chatted for a bit. He was at a buddy’s place near a university while I’m stuck in a hotel and know nobody, lucky bastard. Oh well, I had to make the best out of it. I called my roommate. He was unavailable because he actually managed to fly into the wrong city. He figured that out himself. I was running out of acquaitences. There was one guy left.
He was actually fairly quiet over internet communication. He asked very simple questions about game and the general consensus was that he was probably a newbie. I had no real expectations in regards to this individual who I’ll call John. I dialed his number and was greeted by a “sup dudeâ€. I went to the lobby and met him. He was a cool guy and gave off an outgoing vibe. He had pretty good fashion sense with a solid sense of humor as well. I liked him right off the bat. He lead me to a room of other seduction community members. I strolled into a double bed hotel room fairly full of guys. One guy had an interesting looking straw hat. There were no introductions, just basic small talk. They all seemed like good guys. The conversation began to linger into nerd land with intricate discussions of social dynamics. It was similar to stories I’ve heard from members of Project Hollywood from the original participants. Apparently if you caught Mystery on the right day, you’d get an earful about social value, two hours worth if he wanted to keep it short. That’s not bad by any means, detail is needed for mastery but right when it started to cross the border to pickup nerd, it was time to hit the field.
Field
There was a huge group of us. We all split up into smaller groups and got into large airport vans. There were guys there from all over. It was a pickup crew. Some guys had their nails done, some necklaces, the guy with the hat had some competition. I looked for a lion tamer to complete this circus spectacle but was disappointed. One individual had a voice that sounded like Christopher Walken on a bad day. It was only creepy when you were listening to him. Dream led the way. He began talking to us about our upcoming weekend.
This briefing took too long. First there were introductions, then preparation for the city and the people, then dream went through Tyler Durden’s 25 points. It gave too much time for us to get in our heads. I’m not very skilled. I need every edge I can get and starting in my head isn’t the best idea. Also, 25 points is too many things to name off at that time. I did feel that instructions on the city and different venues were beneficial.
An older man walked over and asked for the people that were over 21 to come with him. I stepped over and we started hitting sets. Right hand man, a 35+ yr old, gathered me and Summa together because we were over 21. The large group still was commencing and starting to split up. There needed to be more organization on how to split up the groups. “What would a newbie be considered?†This would spare time if done properly.
First off I would like to ask somebody, whether it’s Libido or anyone from the TOP lair, to tell Right Hand Man, that he was awesome or if somebody could pm me his email, I’d be appreciative. Before this weekend, I felt that older men had no real chance to get the 9s and 10s. That is TOTALLY not true. Right Hand Man proved that to me. His indirect approach wasn’t short of ideal. I had never been sold on indirect situational openers or the constant use of routine stacks. He sold me. He consistently opened 9 and 10s with ease. RHM was able to come in below the radar on girls that normally would have bitch shield galore and smoothly flow into set. He held the groups’ attention and successfully spiked attraction. We reached hook point 100% of the time. Winging with him gave me an entirely different perspective on the game. I have a lot of respect for him and highly recommend his tutelage.
In regards, to Summa, he had so much drive and enthusiasm. He pushed himself into every set. I hadn’t seen anything like it. He was a machine. He might have scared a person or two but he didn’t give a shit. He was an inspiration to myself to boost my own personal drive.
Me and Right Hand Man were ruling shit. We had the hottest chicks in Mako’s that night. We were # closing different girls. I had 2 gorgeous girls all over me in the corner. It was a party. RHM, I apologize again, for making out with his target. Downtown there are bars everywhere. It’s a great place to hit up. It’s my favorite city.
I met up with the younger guys and went back. I didn’t get to bed until late, probably around 5 or 6 am. I looked over at my roommate who said, “I’ll put my alarm on.â€
Day 2
Well thanks to a miscommunication, our alarms didn’t go off. I woke up comfortably in the afternoon. I could feel that something was wrong. Manwhore had sent me a few unpleasant texts while I was asleep. I went into the convention and Mehow was speaking. I’ve listened to the other sections since then but I’m only going to write about what I experienced.
Mehow
Mehow had a great video of one of his sets. It was a set with him picking up someone’s wife. His explanation was great. He is a good teacher. He was fired up and energetic and bouncing all over the place. His videos online gave him a gay vibe, but in person I didn’t get see that. He is more centered in his own masculinity than the community gives him credit. Consider that this was also over a year ago and he was fairly newer to the scene.
His discussion focused on attraction and he was very good at it. He exuded positive responses to negativity in his sets and disarmed AMOGs with “coolâ€. On the second day he went into more detail on ways to gain instant attraction with his gimmicks and games that he uses in set. The guy never seemed to dip in his energy. He must be high on life.
Libido
Libido was an unknown to me. He blasted open his speech with a sex comment. I was all ears. He is tall and skinny with thin arms. He seemed nervous at first but sustained the social pressure comfortably as the speech continued. It was apparent that he spoke from his core self. He had some interesting stories but they all contained useful advice. He gave us examples of his “brat frame†and leading all his interactions with a fun twist. Libido told us his tactic of convincing girls to bring him a muffin when coming over for day 2s. He enjoys the look on their face when they open the refrigerator to set their muffin next to a few others that have made a visit that week.
He spoke some on peacocking. I don’t like doing that type of thing but it was useful. Libido spoke true to his advice as well and I saw him later that night in a toga. He also gave the crowd some tidbits on phone game. He likes to call all the time, whenever he has an available second. I liked Libido’s advice on getting a girl to come over at 4am. He uses constant teasing and uses the length of the time they’ve been talking as an excuse for her to drive over. “You’ve been talking to me for 15 minutes. You could be here already.†He then leads the girl step by step through the process. “Why haven’t you gotten your shoes on.†This is all playful of course.
He gave us some information on setting up relationship expectations after sex. For a one night stand he uses “That was fun.†For a potential FB, “That was amazing.†The key was emphasizing the sexual experience specifically. To the best of my memory the trick with setting up a potential LTR after sex was building comfort. Libido even informed us that he’s closed girls that didn’t speak the English language.
Libido went on to discuss various types of girls. He made Dutch girls sound very appealing. “We’re not sluts. That’s just the way we are.†He said that his attitude is described as cheeky by British girls. In my own experience British girls are snappy with orthodontic needs. I’m sure they have a lot of fun with his quick wit.
After the speeches on the first day, I got to talk with Manwhore and a couple others for a bit. Then it was time to get some food.
I conversed with a few other convention participants. They were all great guys. I met some guys that seemed to be coming from the same “nice guy†place that I was. There were some socially mis-calibrated guys as well but nothing too awkward. They all talked highly of manwhore’s speech. Damn. After food, I went around and hit up a few sets with some random guys. Orlando has hot girls walking all over. I was very impressed.
The second night went well. I didn’t do as good but I met lots of girls and joked with the guys. We had a good time. I am fairly quiet but I was having a lot of fun. At one point I was standing on the side walk listening to some guy give tips to another on pulling and using a strong unquestionable lead. The guy teaching was in good shape and spoke with confidence. He had some weird makeup and he wore what I call a PUA bracelet. It’s a thick leather bracelet that I see a lot of PUAs wear. He seemed like a cool guy though and he knew what he was talking about. Guess what….that guy was Ratisse. He was teaching just to help somebody out and he seemed to enjoy helping this guy.
Some of the guys with political aspirations had aliases for the whole weekend. I met one guy that called himself “Jamisonâ€. He was a great guy from Atlanta. It was nice to meet like minded people in pickup especially when in my area I am not exposed to others. A large group of us got burritos and just chilled. We all found taxis back to the hotel.
Next Day (Might be a bit out of order)
Nilatak had a great speech about identity. He doesn’t get rattled by tests of women. He gives them a look. He gave some pretty good advice but I remember reading a lot of it previously from other sources. I did enjoy it though.
Manwhore
I finally got to see Manwhore. Manwhore was white, medium height, with a muscular build and a bald head. He dressed casually. He spoke authoritatively with firm belief in things he said. Manwhore didn’t seem like the type to easily get rattled, shaken, or nervous. He was very relaxed in front of the crowd. Manwhore could probably sit down have a beer and watch TV in view of lots of people and proudly scratch his nuts. He just didn’t seem to care, and he had fun with it as well. He supported the pressure with ease. He came off strong and projected himself well. He had stitches in his forehead like Frankenstein and braces on his teeth. Maybe I should get blasted in the head, it might get me laid too. I liked his speech a lot. It brought lots of value and I’m a big supporter of his teachings.
During this presentation, he talked a bit about tonality. He discussed some things on physical escalation in accordance with cave manning. The bulk of his talk was on the first day which I sadly missed. This section wasn’t focused on early stages of the interaction as it was being the person you were meant to be. He discussed dealing with some obstacles like girls that test and parents that get in the way. He answered a few questions from the audience then stepped down.
Mehow
Mehow discussed the specifics on creating instant attraction in set with his use of games and gimmicks. Things like ESP and the shapes routine he has demoed on youtube. It has never been my style, but he made it seem effective. He said that he has all the attraction he’ll ever need after one of those routines. I liked it. His company at the time was pursuing the “sniper†tactic or the ability to achieve and attract the girl of your choice. He then started to pump his book that was soon to be released. Mehow offers pools of value in his teachings and he breaks them down to every last detail. One interesting part is he said that he is able to get physical attraction with his hat on yet only emotional with his hat off. It shows that he is very perceptive to be able to pinpoint that. He gave us some book recommendations as well and answered some questions.
Orleans
Orleans was a shorter, white rugged guy with good fashion sense. He had a bit of facial hair with a serious look in his eyes with a dash of arrogance in his vibe. His personality reminded me a lot of Jlaix. It was obvious that he gets laid a lot. He spoke about himself and his experience in the game. It was pretty inspiring. Orleans and Dream as well didn’t smile that much throughout the convention. They both seemed focused.
Orleans went on to tell us a pretty good story about a quick pull he had. From there he transitioned into the Dicarlo escalation ladder. My only complaint about the speech is that looking back it sends mixed signals. Opening with a great story on the effectiveness of quick escalation and being open physically then the rhetoric transforms to a slower rhythm when escalating and progressing. When you’re viewing the big picture, it can come off confusing. The ladder itself was innovative. He broke down every step in progression all the way up to sex. I liked the method of inserting the fingers inside the girl from the back instead of the front like most men do. One listener from Brazil asked “How do I get my hand back there if I’m on top?â€
Orleans replied, “Just shove it down there.â€
The person responded, “But….I like big girls.†We all had a good laugh over that one.
Nautilus
He gave us a speech with his girlfriend on fashion. I liked it. He gave us many examples on standing out and not following trends too closely. There was no talk on attraction or typical community jargon. It was typical socially conditioned advice which isn’t a bad thing at all. He even gave the guys a bit of a workout program. I liked his presentation and it gave me some fashion insights even though regrettably I don’t have a lot of the financial resources to go on a shopping spree.
Dream
I had heard a lot of negatives about Dream prior to this convention. The guy showed me nothing but focus and discipline in his actions throughout that weekend. He seemed hard pressed to keep everything working smoothly, poor guy. I fully appreciate his efforts and dedication not only to the game but also the community. He is giving a lot. I have much respect for him. I’ll donate some money if you need it by the way once I get my full time job. I just got out of college. His talks were pretty good as well because he seemed to only talk from experience. Props man, thanks again.
We went out again that night but it wasn’t that great. I got there super late thanks to a hold up. The venue was super loud and everybody seemed tired. Slikk was bouncing around though doing his thing backing it up on girls. I hit a couple sets that went alright. Thaddeus was there as well. Thaddeus or The Deuche is a shorter white guy with some type of accent. He is pretty funny and there is never an awkward pause when talking to him. He got a really hot bartender’s number that night. Go Thaddeus. Following this was probably the worst part of the convention. We all had to sit outside for hours waiting for transportation. It was bad and boring. Orleans and Vincent Chase were pretty entertaining though and they told many stories. John by this point in the weekend had EXPLODED. He was getting massive attraction from tons of sets and owning groups and having a great time doing it. Those three guys made the wait seem short. They’re cool guys. Finally some mode of transportation showed up and off we went back to the hotel. I woke up the next day with my roommate gone, he had to leave early to catch his flight. I used my extra day to go to Gatorland and then Disney World. Fun times.
For anyone out there considering a convention, I’d highly recommend it. It’s not expensive and unlike other places you’ll get a mixed view on pickup. You’ll naturally connect with the material that is you regardless, but it’s still good to hear from a variety of sources. It’s not expensive at all. This particular one was only $40. The speakers put themselves out there on stage for no financial compensation. They do it because they love to help people. Aside from that, Orlando is a good city for pickup and it’ll get you away from the pickup sanctuaries that some venues become in LA where there could be 30 PUAs in one bar. The women are gorgeous, plentiful, and diverse as well. It is worth the trip for a guy of any skill level.
Dream did an amazing job. He was only a teenager and he pulled it off. Congratulations and thank you.
* Pickup outside Bars and clubs
* Daygame
* Social Circle game
* Campus game
* Gaming College girls
* Thursday July 24th:
* 11-12 – Registration
* 12-1 – Dream (welcome and intro, then into my first topic)
Dream from the Orlando TopLair ran the entire show, which was particularly impressive for being only 19. We came from similar backgrounds of being fitness instructors, and it was extremely motivational to see a guy so motivated at such an early age. He really has his act together in life, self improvement and pickup. I met some guys who did his bootcamp and live-in program and he comes highly recommended.
* 1-1:15 – Short Break
* 1:15-3:15 – Braddock – Love Systems Instructor
Braddock - You must research this guy. Best speaker of the entire convention. He had his social circle game down and definitely took the right approach to college. He reminded me of one of my super alpha friends who is not in the community. He had direct advice which fits within our Institutionalized Termination model. I’ve used his text message game and it’s immensely helped decrease my flake rate.
* Check out his material on the attraction forums.
* He’s coming out with an ebook soon on text message game.
* If there’s 1 instructor you follow while you are in school, this should be him. On college campus he destroys all.
* Don’t Hate Fraternity’s – Join them – key takeaway.
* 3:15-4:15 – Lunch
* 4:30-6:30 – Heartwork – Vin Di Carlo Instructor
I could not believe that Heartwork was only 18 years old! If any of us were at this guys level when we were 18, imagine where we would be now. He’s going to have his own TV show soon, and he winged me out at the clubs later. Definitely a really good instructor to learn from and fearless.
* He’s even duked celebrities which he revealed to me, but I can’t mention here.
* He was able to create immediately reactions in the club, and was just a real fun social guy with an upbeat attitude.
* He had great bar technologies as well. Learned how to do Tic-Tac Toe in a club
* I saw him in set night after night and he had all his logistics down, he knew where to pull girls to get them into isolation / seduction location within the venue.
* 6:30-6:45 – Short Break
* 6:45-7:45 – Zebra (former Under 21 Lifestyle Student)
Zebra taught us a new way of opening, and showed just how a nonsensical opener can actually work. This guy went out with us as well that night, demonstrated and was very successful. His entire crew was there and they were all from the D.C. area.
* Great low pressure instructor
* He took our newbie friend under his arm and helped him eliminate approach anxiety.
* I love his teaching style
* He gave everyone ‘dared opener’s that we had to use, rediculous stuff like: “Open that set with your arms in the air, tell them you are dislexic.”
* 7:45-8 – Prep for tonight (where to go etc…)
Friday July 25th:
* 11am – Doors Open
* 11:30-12:30 – Dream and HomeRunKing
* 12:30-12:45 – Short Break
* 12:45-3 – Sinn (dude this is SINN)
Sinn was a former mystery method instructor and he shared halarious stories about Mystery, Neil and his experiences hanging out with these guys. He taught us a new model, with a focus on her qualification and breaking repoire all the time. This new model encompassed the similarities he’s seen with all the good guys out there. After careful analysis I have determined when I ‘neg’ girls I am quite often really using statements to have them qualify, making assumptions. I am reclassifying much of my material as qualification material.
* 3-4 – Lunch
* 4:10-5:10 – Ratisse (my former room mate at Project Orlando, fucked 80 chicks in 6 months…)
OMG! Ratisse had awesome peacocking, his style was unstoppable and his attiude congrent. He gave me some interesting ideas with peacocking.
* First night out, First set, he pulled into his vehicle and duked!
* 5:15-6:15 – Nautilus and Right Hand Man (the speech they will give, will BLOW YOU AWAY)
Older guys could relate to these guys, as they were still very successful with pickup. They took the ideas they knew from sales and corporate social presentation to pickup.
* 6:15-6:30 – Short Break
* 6:30-7:45 – Mehow (this is effing Mehow!!)
Mehow is really good, and I’ve always been a really good fan. He has awesome text and phone game. One thing that separates him from other instructors is that he shows video’s of his sarges and breaksdown the interaction. This is extremely valuable. It’s one thing to hear them and them try to teach us, but when you see it in action you can really understand.
* I recommend you review his sarge video’s and breakdown his interactions.
* 7:45-8 – prep for tonight
Saturday July 26th
* 11am – Doors Open
* 11:20-11:50- In depth Q and A with Dream
* 11:55-12:50- AFC Adam Lyons (like the worlds third best PUA)
Dream was right about this guy – He is the best PUA ever. His stories were awesome, and his technologies very different than the standard “learn the opener”. He focused on social circle game and how to roll deep with a ton of girls. He made me realize that was something I was doing and I thought back on now I had all this social proof but I needed to take these girls and pound them out.
* 12:55-3 – Manwhore (one of last years BEST speakers)
* 3-4 – Lunch
* 4:15-6:15 – El Topo (one of the best teachers in the community)
El Topo is a mixed guy like myself so I could immediately relate. One of my clients has a customized routine stack and it was apparent how much he values his clients as he distinctively remembered him. El Topo was hilarious .
* 6:15-6:30 – Short Break
* 6:30-7:30 – General Q and A panel with all remaining speakers (including Libidoescape from last year’s event)
Doc Holiday - This guy I would consider taking a bootcamp with.
* 7:30-8 – Wrap up and good byes
I highly recommend going to any convention, especially the under21 convention as soon as possible. It’s great to meet guys who extend past your local lair. I met guys at all levels of experience. I got to meet a lot of guys in the DC Lair and the Metro DC PUA lair. There were a ton of PUA’s from the DC Metro area who want to become more active in the lairs. #1 reason to go to this convention is to meet other good guys to sarge with and for wings. What made the difference between a quality instructor:
* Use of presentation technologies, some guys would have really benefitted from powerpoint
* Know your presentation – some guys probably could have rehearsed their presentation a lot more.
* Know your stories – the stories are true, but the best way to tell a story is proven.
* Interactive – the more interactive with the audience the pua was, pulling people on stage to demo, the more positive reaction.
Overall it was awesome and I recommend all my clients as a must-attend. I’ll be in contact with the presenters and we’ll see if I can have them down for a lair presentation sometime. I will see you guys there next year!
